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The recent furore over the generosity of income support paid to sole parents on the Domestic Purposes Benefit (DPB) is symptomatic of an undercurrent of discontent within our society. Put bluntly, taxpayers are sick and tired of supporting people who could and should be working for a living. To their credit, National appears to be listening. In the last couple of weeks the Government has made two major announcements about welfare reform. The first was the launch of the $152 million youth job plan designed to prevent young people going onto welfare. The second signalled a tightening of eligibility for the Sickness and Invalid Benefits following revelations that... read full article

#1

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

The NZCPR article on benefits is barely disguised baloney which really fails to move the issue forward. First it's doubtful that droves of "taxpayers" want benefits like the DPB abolished. Sure, there are ideologues advocating policies like workfare who do, but they aren't a majority. Statistics quoted to support the urban myth that people get pregnant to claim a benefit arent substantiated. Similarly, the numbers of ex-wedlock births could be explained by things like the great prevalence of defacto and other relationships, relationships within extended families, and people who may have formed a relationship after a child has been born. The DPB has obviously changed(been changed by successive governments) since the 70s. I recall surprising statistics relating to the number of male beneficiaries of the dpb. Criticisms of the article like the foregoing probably only scratch the surface of its inadequacy as a credible contribution to any sensible discussion of the issue.

#2

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

The NZCPR article on benefits is barely disguised baloney which really fails to move the issue forward. First it's doubtful that droves of "taxpayers" want benefits like the DPB abolished. Sure, there are ideologues advocating policies like workfare who do, but they aren't a majority. Statistics quoted to support the urban myth that people get pregnant to claim a benefit arent substantiated. Similarly, the numbers of ex-wedlock births could be explained by things like the great prevalence of defacto and other relationships, relationships within extended families, and people who may have formed a relationship after a child has been born. The DPB has obviously changed(been changed by successive governments) since the 70s. I recall surprising statistics relating to the number of male beneficiaries of the dpb. Criticisms of the article like the foregoing probably only scratch the surface of its inadequacy as a credible contribution to any sensible discussion of the issue.

#3

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

First off... it's not just mothers. I am a solo father and have no choice but to stay at home and look after my son. I miss working... hell, I miss a lot of things about having the time to do things, but I can't. I have nobody that can look after him other then me and now that he is at a preschool I can afford, I still can't work because no employer these days wants someone who can only work 25 hours a week and has to have 2 weeks off every couple of months to look after there child while on holiday. And if there was someone willing, or a temp agency, try sorting out DPB coverage for the times you can't work. Not to mention I have workd my butt off for over 7 years working over time and extra days just to have so much more taken off me for tax... a lot of us sole parents who 'should' be working have paid our dues just like the so called 'massive' amount of current tax payers who are complaining about this. It's time they started looking at the other useless things our tax money is going towards, stop concentrating on things that are not worth the worry.

#4

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

I too am a male DPB recipient and have spent 20 years working before finding myself in a similar situation as above.
It's interesting how some people use statistics to support their arguments/opinions but trust those in this awful situation, it is a hard, poor and bleak situation to find yourself in but the above is preferable to the complicated and unstable life of trying to work and raise a young child by yourself. When the school holidays come along (12 weeks), as much as the touted schhol holiday programs etc are said to help, you go backwards due to costs involved. You don't get paid for the childs days off sick and as mentioned, very few companies are interested in hiring skilled tradesmen part time at good rates. And dealing with Winz in regards to all the above is difficult. As far as they are concerned you "are employed" and it complicates any dealings with them. Out of the few people i know who have used the dpb (all women) only i have ever been checked regularly (audits) at home by ministry of social development staff. European males are expected to work....


Totally agree DogMaster. And I tried the working thing aye. That experience with WINZ was horrible. And not to mention trying to keep the job I had when my son was sick.

Mumma Mumma, "When you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, then you can have all the rants and raves on this issue you like. Until then, stop kicking people who are already down." ... I love it!!


Totally agree DogMaster. And I tried the working thing aye. That experience with WINZ was horrible. And not to mention trying to keep the job I had when my son was sick.

#5

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

I used to think just like you, until I had to leave an abusive relationship, study full time at Uni to BETTER my situation and suffer sucidal thoughts on a daily basis because of the way that people like you, perceive people like me. It gets to the stage where the harm your words do to me makes me want to adopt, but my child is already at school now and seeing as his father does not want him how could I do that to the kid now???
You make we want to have a drink, not go back to my studies.
I know you are writing this piece because it gives you a guaranteed response, which like advertising or prostitution is I suppose your two other best options to further and BETTER yourself.
When you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, then you can have all the rants and raves on this issue you like. Until then, stop kicking people who are already down.



Mumma Mumma, "When you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, then you can have all the rants and raves on this issue you like. Until then, stop kicking people who are already down." ... I love it!!

#6

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

Wow interesting paradigm. Might I suggest perhaps talking to someone outside of the national party to get an overall perspective and expand your knowledge base. The narrow mindedness of your research is ridiculous. I am doing a BSc Hons in Psych and am a solo parent of two children. Wow I know you must be shocked... a solo parent getting the dpb and smart, alert the press...it is a situation of circumstance as compared to direct choice, there are alot of people trying to change their situations perhaps focus on the positive its there if you choose to see it.

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