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Meat or veges?

i came across this article and found it very interesting . There seems to be new diet trends popping up every time you open the refrigerator, but no extreme eating regimen sticks out more than the Atkins Diet. The carb-phobic diet book was written in the ‘70s and got insanely popular in the ‘90s; since then, people have obsessed over their meat intake. And lately, we’ve been hearing far too much about meat-only diets—and a little less about vegetarian diets. But is there any weight to either of these eating ways? Is one better than the other? To answer these questions (and more!) we spoke with Ruth Frechman, a registered dietitian and spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association, and looked at the facts. All-meat pros Meat is the best source of protein, which the body needs to function optimally. Red meat is also a good source of iron, vitamin B, riboflavin, thiamin and niacin. All-meat cons “Meats have high levels of saturated fat and can raise cholesterol,” Frechman says. Because of it’s high-fat content, red meat has been linked to heart disease, cancer and diabetes. And processed meat is loaded with sodium, which can raise blood pressure. Although it’s often thought of as the healthier option, chicken and turkey have been found to be more strongly associated with weight gain than eating red or processed meat, a new study finds. Find us on Facebook! “If you’re just eating protein, you’re not getting carbohydrates, which you need for energy, so instead you’re burning fat,” Frechman adds. But that’s not as good as it sounds—this process is called ketosis and it can result in muscle and joint pain. High-protein diets can also result in a strain on your kidneys and dehydration. “You’ll lose water from your muscles and lose muscle mass.” Still not convinced that your body needs veggies? New findings show that even early Neanderthals ate—and cooked—vegetables. Archaeobiologists at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. have found remnants of date palms, seeds and legumes (including peas and beans) stuck in the teeth of Neanderthals, who were once thought to be strictly meat-eating humans. All-vegetarian pros Vegetarians generally have a lower risk of developing high blood pressure, several forms of cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity because these diets are usually lower in fat and higher in fiber. Vegetarians as a group are often healthier, as they tend to be nonsmokers and drink less alcohol. All-vegetarian cons A vegetarian diet will result in a quicker weight loss because it tends to be low in calories. “You may loose weight but you also may lack energy,” says Frechman. You’ll get more vitamins, minerals and nutrients but you probably won’t get enough calcium (from diary) or essential fatty acids (from fish) or folic acid (from grains). Also noticeably absent from most vegetarian menus: Protein, which protects your immune system and builds muscle mass. “If you’re on a vegetarian diet long enough, you could suffer from malnutrition.” That’s not to say that an all-vegetarian diet can’t be done—people clearly do it. You just need to work harder to make sure you’re getting a balance of all the necessary vitamins. The takeaway “Both of these diets would be lacking nutrients, but the vegetarian diet would at least have a few more nutrients,” Frechman says reluctantly, after we forced her to choose a lesser of two evils. But she’s quick to add: “I don’t see any pluses for either of these diets.” Your body needs a balance of protein, carbohydrates and fats. “Any diet with less calories than normal will cause weight loss,” Frechman begins. “That’s the only positive thing with either of these, but really, they’re unhealthy, short-term fixes.” The American Cancer Society suggests that each of your meals be two-thirds plant-based. That means the bulk of breakfast, lunch and dinner should be made up of fruits, vegetables, beans or grains. The other one-third should be meat (about three ounces per meal and no more than 18 ounces each week). When picking meat, choose the leanest cuts of meat and opt for low-fat cooking methods (such as baking instead of frying), and keep processed meats (yes, even pepperoni!) at a minimum, as they’re high in sodium. When it comes to veggies, you want to eat about 2 ½ cups a day—or 17 ½ cups each week. “For balance, eat 1 ½ cups of dark-green vegetables, 5 ½ cups of red and orange vegetables, 1 ½ cups of beans and peas, 5 ½ cups of starchy vegetables and 4 cups other types of vegetables in a week,” says Frechman i dont think id be able to do either of these diets as i love my veges as much as i love my meat (rudeness not intended) , what do you all think ? could you do diets that only focus on one type of food group? cause i know i couldnt do it.


We don't do diets fullstop, but if I did I would hate to eat only one type of food. Moderation and exercise is way better than a diet anyday, but your post does make for interesting reading.

Very true.

I totally agree eat what you want when you want just dont sit around all day complaining about the way you look.

True because eating the right food doesn't always work...All those that ate carrots in the 1800s are now all dead!


yea i have heard of so many diets and i know people who have done some including the soup diet and no carbs diet and they do work short term but once they go back to eating normal i think thier body systems find it hard to adjust and they end up putting on more weight than they begin with.


also found this written up about eating beef ,good for vegeterians to see lol. What is the truth? Consider the following: 1.Studies indicate that, if our ancestors had not eaten red meats, the brain of humans would be 1/4 of its present size! During human evolution, our adaptation to red meat and the vital protein and fats it provides, is one of the KEY reasons behind the rapid growth in our intelligence and brain capacity.. without meat we still would be living in the trees eating bananas! 2.In regions where people have the longest lifespan, the diet is based almost exclusively on meat of ruminant animals and cultured dairy products. 3.Protein in beef and lamb provides plenty of building blocks for our body, ensuring strong lean muscles and healthy hormones. 4.Red meat is an excellent source of vital minerals like zinc, iron, and magnesium. In meat, these minerals exist in form that is much easier for the body to absorb compared to the minerals in grains and pulses. 5.Vitamin B12, which can be obtained ONLY from animal sources and which is abundant in beef, is crucial for a healthy nervous system and blood. 6.The carnitine in red meat is essential for balanced and steady functioning of the eart. 7.Beef and lamb fat is rich in linoleic and palmiotelic acids, which have strong anticancer effects and fight viruses and other pathogens.


Little bit of everything in moderation is the best for a good healthy diet. Some vegetarians are the sickest looking people I have seen. Being skinny does not equal being healthy or fit.


....and so to say not being skinny does not equate to being unfit or unhealthy. I seem to recall comfrey (anyone remember this innocuous looking furry leafed weed in our old family plots??) could supply the essential B12 if you do not source from red meats.....mmmm....I feel an Eta Crunchy Peanut Butter toastie coming on...followed by a bit of exercise later...maybe.


I think you need to eat healthy but not to the detriment of your lifestyle. I mean do you want to spend all your energy and free time worrying about diets and how we look or just enjoy life and have fun? I go with the latter.


Personally I have to go with the latter too as its definitely not worth spending all my time and energy worrying about how I look- that train has left the station....choo choo...boo hoo


i think most people agree it's balance that is best for optimum well being. i agree with TTT, i also know a few strict vegetarians and they always seem to lack energy and skin colour though they generally have even skin tone and seem to be mentally on to it. maybe this is due to the fact they can't pass 10pm before hitting the sack so have loads more sleep. i enjoy both meat and veges and start to yawn every time i hear a new diet fad. imho go for what works for you and eat whatever you makes you feel the best with.(be honest in listening to your body)


I like meat & Veges which gives makes a good balanced meal. But meat has to be a good quality lean cut to appreciate the true flavour, med rare equates to a good dose of B Vitamin intake.


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